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This discussion page will be used as a more in depth conversation on ideas presented on the Other Ideas page, to keep the main article from getting crowded.

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Ranks

 * Are the Jedi Civilian ranks going to be used for non-FUs who are working with the Order (ie: technicians, librarians, researchers, etc)? I'm admitedly a bit groggy, so I'm asking to try and keep track of things so I can brainstorm a little bit better. :D If so, Civilian ranks could specify the aspects of how the individual works for the order rather than being ranks, per se, like the New Republic civilian ranks. Set up ranks for Medical, Technical, Research, and so on. -Del
 * Well, the civilian ranks I will figure out on my own. All I really need for people to do is think up possible 'jobs' to do for the Jedi, and even then, I don't really need help with that. -Luke


 * Note from Luke: I cleaned out the section on "Position vs. Rank" because it was a HUGE thread, and while all the info was important, it was getting spammy. I've noted the key details on the article page. -Luke


 * As long as we're talking about an, I assume, coded "Jedi Civilian" organization, are there also going to be org branches within that for definable collections of people, or is it going to be kept to a simple one-branch organization? Because it strikes me as a big umbrella. -- Wrista 18:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Smuggling Plot

 * Now, no "plots" have been devised as of yet, per se. I have ideas for the sorts of things I could involve the Order and their non-FU allies in, of course - assisting with the shipping of relief aid to Dac and supplies for the building of the new Jedi Temple, re-establishing ties with certain people in the underworld as the Republic edges towards once again becoming a Rebellion, etcetera - but nothing with a defined beginning, middle and end. I'm open to suggestions, but I'd ask that people @mail them to me in-game rather than clutter up this page, and I can slip developed ideas towards Luke and the other appropriate people to start getting the proverbial ball rolling. -- Del

Senate Schism Plot

 * Enb'zik's suggested plot.
 * I dunno. I kind of like the idea of their being a rift between the Jedi and the Senate.  It adds a new dimension for intra-faction RP, and could be used to explain why the New Republic remains in a weakened state.  Long-term planning-wise, you might consider saving the reconciliation for when the NR comes back and starts winning the war again -- the good guys are supposed to win in the end (I think I read that somewhere).  Regaining the trust of the Republic might be a good long-term goal for the Order, an aspect of the major plot, rather than a subject for a single tiny plot. -- Xerxes 20:18, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Location
Hello, folks. This is actually a question my character has been ICly researching for the past 3 months, something on my "to do" list to RP with Luke about soonish. I haven't had much time to put into RL research of the subject, otherwise I'd have something more clever to say. That, and wanting to save the conversation for IC. I will say that at first glance, most of the "obvious" choices are sub-ideal, for one reason or another. -- Lolkje
 * I bring up this topic because, if anything else, it's best to get this ironed out before something gets built and people bemoan and complain post-facto. I am not saying "You have to build this here". My job/role is as a technical expert & archiver. In that, and looking over the elements, I'm sure you're looking at Yavin as the location to build the New Jedi Temple... right? As per the astrographics on the MUSH at present, Yavin is still in New Republic -held territory. A significant planet in Jedi lore is Ossus. Another location to consider is Rhen Var. I wouldn't advocate for building on the planet, but Raxus Prime has Force -significance as well. Ossus, Raxus Prime, and Rhen Var are all in NR-held territory. By contrast, and certainly worth mention, the planets of Thule and Korriban hold significance as Sith "pools", and are, surprisingly, within NR-held territory at present. -- Hawke / Rtufo 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I recall, Korriban is in NR Territory but it is still an imperial held world and one of those places that the NR probably could take by force of arms, but wouldn't look very good as it is decidedly 'Imperial'. I do know that there are no plans to ever turn Korriban into a coded world on either side of the fence. It would be too problematic I would think. I am not sure as to Thule's status because it has never been dealt with as far as the MUSH is concerned to my knowledge. -- Prospero
 * The NR Admin have chosen to built Ord Mantell with the quota from BC_Cochran, since Cochran is a dead planet. This will be the new central planet of the NR, and most likely no matter where the war takes us, it won't be a planet we lose, simply for the sake of having a central place for RP to start. Since it's a relatively proven fact that MU's do well when they have centralized locations for RP, I'd like the Jedi Temple to be right there with everything else. This way, FU's can interact with other characters, which is precisely why I didn't want to put it back on a planet like Yavin. That would only add to the age-old reputation that Jedi are "cliquish" and "elitist". Hopefully, by putting the Jedi Temple on the new central NR planet and opening up limited positions in its ranks to non-FU's, we will solve that problem once and for all. -- Luke
 * Problems with that... Ord Mantell is A) a former Ordinance/Resupply Depot world that, while structured as a "citadel" or "fortress" world, is/was poorly suited for civil settlement... B) a former Ordinance/Resupply Depot world, and, in this case, one of the largest "salvage & waste" facilities in that stretch of the galaxy... C) it is located, canon-ly (and substantiated not only by my map but by several maps made by official sources) in a section of space just "north-northeast" of the Core Worlds, and inwhich is squarely in Imperial territory. -- Hawke / Rtufo 20:45, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The topic here is the Jedi Order. In that regard, I think Luke has it right -- the new temple should be built on the new main planet.  Like Hawke, I'm not certain that main planet should be Ord Mantell, but that's a discussion for the New NR capital Brainstorm article, not this one. (I was thinking Taanab, maybe?) -- Xerxes 01:24, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, i think that c) is the biggest issue at hand, since the NR moving into Mantell could result in a substantial restructuring of the world's local culture and industry. But that said, I think I'll raise Obroa-skai as a suggestion. It's a modern world, certainly defensible enough given a significant military presence and some time to fortify, and the Obroans have a serious investment in learning and culture that i think appeals nicely to the NR's ideals and philosophies. As a bonus, it makes *great* sense to then house the Jedi temple there, since Obroa-skai at one point had a MAJOR collection of Jedi antiquities. While canonically, these were said to have been removed by the Empire at some point, the implication can be made that a) there may have been quite a few Jedi-significant places on the planet that the collection were garnered from, and more may still exist, and b) the presence of that many Jedi-related artifacts for a long time could have left a strong imprint typical of the places jedi tend to locate their temples. I'll toss in while I'm here that I'd be inclined to pick somewhere NOT steeped deeply in the Dark Side like Korriban or Thule, whatever other reasons there may be not to. While there's a suggestion that a location near strong Dark Side presence would serve to "hide" the school from the Sith, and there's a certain wisdom in exposing students to that danger... I also think it's a bit like playing with fire, and if the Temple is right smack in the middle of NR-central like Luke wants, it'll be well-protected without camoflage. And, as I recall, Obroa-skai is well inside NR borders, but still pretty close to the "front lines" for fast communication/organization, whereas even if we re-drew the map to put Ord mantell in NR jurisdiction... I'd question the strategic wisdom of a capital on the border where it can be easily isolated from the rest of the NR. -- Wrista 22:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The issue of Ord Mantell as the Republic's new main planet has already been brought up on the Admin channel, and after a friendly debate it was decided that it would go ahead as planned, despite its location in Imperial territory and canonical history as a waste planet. --Danik Kreldin 02:04, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * After a short discussion with Luke, I've adjusted the boundary lines to accomodate the results of the Admin meetings / decisions. NR territory now extends on a large'ish salient out from the Hydian Way to encompass Ord Mantell, Ylix, and Anobis (two extremely minor agricultural worlds), while, to "balance out", the Imperial lines jut out from the Hydian way to encompass Thule and Korriban (two Sith-y worlds). The Nyankan Nebula now becomes an important "corner rockpile" and a potential point-of-dispute between NR and Imperial efforts. I can see several heated dogfights and slug-outs between NR & Imperial scout squadrons or foragers in and among the celestial bodies, mists, dusts, asteroids, what-have-you of the Nebula. -- Hawke / Rtufo 04:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Antarian Rangers

 * Sticking my nose in on the topic of the Rangers, or whoever they may become, since I proposed it to Luke in the first place. ;)
 * First Item, my personal inclination would be to go ahead and just ressurect the Rangers for a couple of reasons-- the first being that as long as we have an existing, very suitable organization to use for the purpose, we may as well. If nothing else, it saves us the hassle of people familiar with them constantly asking "why didn't you just use the Antarean Rangers?" The other reason has already been touched upon-- specifically that they're very suitable with minor modifications.
 * Naturally, I did quite a bit of thinking about this idea before I brought it up as a possibility with Luke, so I've got a lot of ideas about the vision of the thing and organizational thoughts and the like. It's be a bit early to be posting 'em, but I've started writing some of them down in notes and the like, and they *are* certainly discusable in other venues. -- Wrista 18:27, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Addendum: I nearly forgot-- the article Luke linked above provides a pretty good quick overview of the rangers, but there's quite a bit more in the way of detail to be had-- It just needs to be transcribed, as it's not in electronic form. -- Wrista 18:48, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to copy everything we (Mahon and I) do? We create Marines, and lo and behold, you create Marines. We create Rangers, and now you want to create (Antarian) Rangers? No fair. No frelling fair. Seriously, though, are you so set on creating more sub-groups and entities before the established ones (NR FleetOps, StarOps, GroundOps/Marines, etc.) are filled, or at least to a somewhat greater level? I would have to advocate that the Antarian Rangers, if you did "install" them now, would have to be created from scratch under the "efforts" of Luke. According to canon, the Antarian Rangers were dispersed to eradication, exile, and hiding by the Jedi Purge, and only by Luke's efforts was their organization resurrected. Now, I know that our storyline and the canon storyline diverge, but that divergence occurs in the days after the Battle of Endor (with a few things remaining canon, such as Han & Leia's marriage and Thrawn's existence, while other things undergoing full divergence). We'd have to follow the "book" on the Rangers that they succumbed to the Purge, and were in "limbo" up until we/you bring them back into existence. -- Hawke / Rtufo 18:09, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think Wrista's idea (from what she told me) was to resurrect them entirely from RP. So, it could take QUITE a while but it would also be really cool plot-fodder. Plus, the Rangers wouldn't end up being some huge sub-org. At best, we'd have four PC's in it at any time, and that's even stretching it. Most PC's won't be permitted into the Jedi Order, because it won't be an 'open to the public' type of recruiting practice. Plus, what PC's we do bring in, I'd like it to be diverse. Really, what I like about the Antarian Rangers would be not only the history they have and the opportunity for neat plots, but also NPC fodder for fight sequences. I love NPC fodder. -- Luke
 * Luke covered it pretty well, but I'll just add that there's no need to be concerned with the points you've raised regarding the canon sources in regards to the Antarean Rangers. That was actually all stuff Luke and I discussed when I first proposed the idea to him a couple weeks ago, and it's been, as far as I'm aware, suitably researched and accounted for. -- Wrista 22:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the idea of having Jedi and non-Jedi serving side-by-side within the Order necessitates something like the Antarian Rangers. You need some kind of background for who these non-Jedi are and what they're all about. Resurrecting the tradition of the Rangers would seem to fit the bill in a canon-way. -- Xerxes 01:33, 10 August 2006 (UTC)